Report: Honda Engineers Berated Takata Before Scandal Erupted

Aaron Cole
by Aaron Cole

Bloomberg ( via Automotive News) reported that engineers at Honda demanded to know why Takata airbags were injuring drivers and passengers during a 2009 meeting held four months before investigators started their inquiry.

“Why does it explode? I want to know the truth,” an engineer identified as “Otaka” asked Takata’s CEO at the meeting, according to Bloomberg.

Minutes from a July 2009 meeting between Honda executives and Takata officials were made public as part of a lawsuit against the airbag maker.

Federal regulators Wednesday identified the ninth fatality linked to the defective airbags, which could burst so violently that they could spray metal shards into the passenger cabin. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration officials said the victim was a minor driving a 2001 Honda Accord near Pittsburgh in July, according to USA Today.

The teen was hospitalized and died several days after the crash, according to investigators.

Honda was Takata’s largest customer and owned 1.2 percent of the auto supplier when investigators began examining the defective airbags, according to Bloomberg.

In 2009, when the companies met outside Los Angeles, engineers at Honda accused Takata officials of being too slow to act and not treating the situation seriously.

The documents were unsealed as part of a Florida woman’s lawsuit against Takata and show that, as far back as 2005, engineers at Takata notified the company of falsified data and the company’s illegal practices.

According to the report, a Takata engineer named Bob Schubert wrote that the company was “prettying up” data about its airbags and that the company was lying about testing: “It has come to my attention that the practice has gone beyond all reasonable bounds and likely constitutes fraud,” he wrote in 2005, according to Bloomberg.

Honda, along with 11 other automakers, are recalling more than 19 million cars — with more than 23 million faulty inflators — in one of the largest recalls in history. NHTSA officials in November fined Takata more than $70 million, which could rise to $200 million if the company can’t fulfill its obligations.


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  • SCE to AUX SCE to AUX on Dec 24, 2015

    Is there any data on how this problem has affected the resale value of affected vehicles, particularly Hondas? The Honda Kool-Aid runs strong with many consumers, so I worry that unsuspecting buyers are picking up used Hondas without asking questions. It's not like your local used car lot (or your Honda dealer, for that matter) really cares about the recall status of that vehicle on the four-square. Even my son's used Sonata - purchased at the Hyundai dealer which serviced it since new - was sold with 4 outstanding recalls. I went somewhere closer to have them dealt with. None of his recalls were this important.

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    • Richmich7 Richmich7 on Dec 24, 2015

      I have to correct you. Honda requires every vehicle that comes in for service or traded in to have a VIN check for recalls. Some people are saying that Honda made some people sign waivers when the airbag recall started, but replacements are readily available now. We have to repair a trade in. If a customer comes in for an oil change, and they are not willing to wait for an airbag repair, it is noted on their repair order. Inflators are available to the parts department via normal ordering because Honda is using other suppliers.

  • Sirwired Sirwired on Dec 26, 2015

    Really, at this point the story is more about Honda than Takata. Takata is toast; they have no chance at survival at this point. I mean, if you were at an automaker specifying parts, would YOU touch Takata with a 10-foot pole? It has yet to be determined how much they'll owe in fines, lawsuits, and in payments to automakers, but I expect by this point that eventual number will be way more money than they can collect from their customer base. Their gloomy financial future will deter even MORE customers... on and on into the death spiral. Now Honda? They'll survive this just fine, but it remains to be seen how much all this is going to cost them. When their supplier is gone, they'll be nobody else left to blame (or pay.) This isn't necessarily fair to Honda, as the blame certainly should be shared, but life isn't fair.

  • Amwhalbi My 1972 Mercury Capri was my first stick shift car. God, I miss that thing. It was a blast to drive.
  • Vid169489471 The technology exists today to produce a variable color temperature (kelvin) LED lamp. It can vary from 2700k that soft orange look to 6500k the bright daylight with the bluish tint.Since everything in a late model car is computer controlled, it would be an easy task to write a few lines of code that enables your vehicle to not only dim down from hi to low beam but to shift color temp down to the 2700k range for oncoming traffic, then back up to 5000k once oncoming traffic has passed. For the operator it would be automatic and seamless. For older cars they could be retrofitted with LEDs that are 2700k on low beam and 5000k on hi beam. As far as standards, there could be a lumens max, and a minimum. Several States already have minimum lumen standards going back to the old incandescent bulbs. Why not update these to national standards.
  • Jam169859557 More regulation is needed for ALL vehicle lighting systems. [list=1][*]The lighting that is most blinding are the rapidly flashing red, blue and amber lights on emergency vehicles. The lights themselves are blinding, flashing so rapidly that it's impossible for even the sharpest eyes to adjust. What's worse, is the nature of the emergency requires a careful view of the area surrounding the emergency vehicle. There is something going on that needs to be seen. More flashing lights is not the solution.[/*][*]Brighter headlights need to be regulated. The tall riding vehicles do not need headlights positioned so high that they blind drivers in lower riding vehicles. And those heasdlights need to be aimed properly. When I first started driving my 2020 Subaru Outback, many drivers would flash their lights, hoping I would dim my lights. This stopped after I performed am easy adjustment that tilted the beam lower. Late model Subaru headlamps are designed with a sharp cutoff that project less glare above the hood line. When the headlights are properly aimed, other drivers are not blinded by the beam.[/*][*]Customized light assemblies make it more difficult to see the marker lights (tail lamps, turn signals and side marker lamps) that have been tinted. There are many municiple codes that prohibit this tinting, but these laws are seldom enforced.[/*][/list=1]Solutions: Tight controls on emergency vehicle lighting. In trying to make these vehicles more visible, a dangerous side effect is reducing the ability of drivers to see the surrounding perils.Headlight design regulations that reduce the height of the headlight assemblies. Just because a pickup truck has a hood that sits 4 feet abouve the pavement, it does not mean the headlights need to be so high. Owneres should maintain proper adjustments to their vehicle headlights.Establish and enforce regulation requiring a illumination standard be followed.
  • Stl170698708 as someone who hates big government, and their interference;but you can add me to the list of people that are blinded by the lights.unfortunately "the poop is out of the horse and no way is it going back in"They have had 5 years to make lights bigger, badder and brighter because in the vehicle work it is go big or go home!Trucks are the worst because so many people use them to express their dominance and that is big, big, big $$ both at the Original Purchase and in the Aftermarket world.If, we are so lucky to get some good government regulation on this it will also take some very good Court enforcement to get the aftermarket people with fines and lawsuits.Much like the EPA did with the Diesel Tuner Industry that felt emission regulations didn't apply to them.This is from someone that owns said pickup truck with the same bright headlights,but i only use the truck when I have too and always turn off the Fog lights when driving in traffic.
  • Art65765977 I saw a porsche 911 with the most amazing headlights from behind approaching the Sunshine skyway in Florida. The pattern was 108 degrees across sweeping the road like a broom. My brother and I were amazed. I don't know what it looked like from the front but i am sure it was better than American cars
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